?? the criticism that i saw of ash and gross tended to be of exactly the wrong kind, roughly "why bother trying to give a human conceptual account of this material ?" ... whereas i see it as a (somewhat) noble failure which should be criticized only for almost entirely failing to achieve it, rather than for attempting it ...

?? i think that i can tell that they fail at it, despite (or maybe because of ...) my not yet being able to understand a lot of what they're talking about ...